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Jan. 24th, 2003 | 08:39 am

"on september 11th, everything changed"

did it?

i'd love to see your answers to the following questions in comments:

1 - what long term changes have you seen in your everyday life, at work, at play, at home, on the street?

2 - what long term changes do you see in the political landscape of the country and the world?

3 - what has changed in the way you feel about life, work, play, other people?

4 - what have you deliberately changed about the way you interact with other people and the earth?

5 - how have your goals and dreams changed?

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from: vyoma
date: Jan. 24th, 2003 07:51 am (UTC)
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1 - what long term changes have you seen in your everyday life, at work, at play, at home, on the street?
This would be a long, long list. There was certainly an acceleration of the shift toward conservativism, an increase in paranoia, changes to security procedures at airports... in short, though, I've definitely seen changes. Whether the changes are in any way meaningful or useful, though, is a different story.

2 - what long term changes do you see in the political landscape of the country and the world?
Pretty much the same as above. In the US, the government was nuts before 9/11; those events just gave them an excuse to speed up the changes they already wanted to make. I don't think 9/11 changed anything at this level so much as it facilitated changes that were already in the works.

3 - what has changed in the way you feel about life, work, play, other people?
Nothing, really.

4 - what have you deliberately changed about the way you interact with other people and the earth?
Nothing, really.

5 - how have your goals and dreams changed?
I can't say that they have (although if you mean "dreams" literally, I have had a few dreams in which the 9/11 event showed up in some form).

I don't think the world changed because of 9/11. It just made Americans feel the same kind of insecurity that much of the rest of the world must live with on a daily basis.

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from: i
date: Sep. 11th, 2005 06:47 pm (UTC)
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It just made Americans feel the same kind of insecurity that much of the rest of the world must live with on a daily basis.

that change sure has affected the rest of the world since, hasn't it?

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from: vyoma
date: Sep. 11th, 2005 11:40 pm (UTC)
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Yeah... and I can't think of a single good way in which it's caused change. I wonder how much tragedy it takes before people have had enough killing...

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from: ex_ilk
date: Jan. 24th, 2003 07:55 am (UTC)
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1 - what long term changes have you seen in your everyday life, at work, at play, at home, on the street?

I'm more careful about what I say/write. I still say it and write it, but there's always that little nagging voice in the back of my head that says "how much longer?".

2 - what long term changes do you see in the political landscape of the country and the world?

I see government using our acceptance that "everything changed on sept 11th" against us. Not some huge conspiracy to take our rights away, but more the fulfillment of a political agenda.

3 - what has changed in the way you feel about life, work, play, other people?

Not a lot, really, if anything.

4 - what have you deliberately changed about the way you interact with other people and the earth?

As a result of sept 11th? When I see someone who is obviously of middle eastern origin, I make an extra effort when possible to make them feel welcome in my little part of the world. Usually with a smile or a hello. These small things can change everything. Especially when the rest of the population is frowning at them or keeping a distance.

5 - how have your goals and dreams changed?

As a result? In no way.

But generally when I hear people say that everything changed on Sept 11th, I respond with...

"oh, you mean the way they changed on the 10th?"

Because everything ALWAYS changes things, forever.
Nothing will ever be the same after any moment in time.
And I wouldn't have it any other way. Not that I have a choice.

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Wander aka StoneBear

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from: wander
date: Jan. 24th, 2003 08:02 am (UTC)
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1. Not so many really. Our computer security is a little tougher at work and if we fly we can't all be on the same plane. it's a little tougher to park out at the airport when I go to rent a car but hey, car rental rates went down when the airlines started to go out of business. it's really not affected how I play at all and there has been no noticeable change on the street in my little corner of the world.

2. Well of course we've seen new offices of government spring up and I see the Office of Homeland Security in the future trying to grab up little pieces of freedoms we take for granted and don't do anything about and we won't realize they are gone until it's too late. And they will justify it all by claiming it's in the interest of National Security.

3. In the long term, nothing has really changed in the way I feel about life, work, play and other people. There was the initial shock and my initial reactions to that but I've settled back to a normal routine now. i'm not any less or more trusting of people than I was before.

4. The one positive thing I can say is that now I'm maybe a little more sensitive to the feelings of other ethnic groups .
5. They've note really changed at all. Since my dreams don't really involve flying for the most part, nothing has really changed. I have always hoped someday to visit Switzerland, Scotland and Ireland but that dream was always in the someday category anyway so it's not as if I'm sitting here saying "Well Damn there goes that plane trip to Ireland next year."

Wander

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Mlle. Kïad Auguſt Arkhangel'sk

"on september 11th, everything changed"

from: kiad
date: Jan. 24th, 2003 08:21 am (UTC)
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1 - what long term changes have you seen in your everyday life, at work, at play, at home, on the street?

Everyone asks me where I was, and how it affected me, clearly it is a tragedy we all have in common, whether they've never left Tokyo or Vermont, of if they lived near me in New York.

2 - what long term changes do you see in the political landscape of the country and the world?

I think that most of the people I know now have an even stronger sense of urgency about curbing our goverment's appitite for destruction, before we turn the world against us while we destroy ourselves and take everyone with us.

3 - what has changed in the way you feel about life, work, play, other people?

I quit my tech job, took care of a heroin addict that had just accidentally killed her boyfriend in a car accident, his elderly parents, and their financially challenged daughter for a year. I then started college.

I'd like to hope I've turned my life around for the better.

4 - what have you deliberately changed about the way you interact with other people and the earth?

I never again want to think that I have the right to control another person's life ever again, and I never want to hurt another person.

5 - how have your goals and dreams changed?

I used to want to be a high-powered, jet-set millionaire CEO.

Now I just want to ride horses and travel to rescue ancient artifacts and make herbal remedies.

It is rather strange to attribute this to 9/11, and I had been getting more and more unhappy, but it was the wakeup call I needed.

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Kafka's 13th Molar

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from: geckodru
date: Jan. 24th, 2003 01:49 pm (UTC)
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Thank you.

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Mars Tokyo

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from: marstokyo
date: Jan. 24th, 2003 08:40 am (UTC)
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1 - what long term changes have you seen in your everyday life, at work, at play, at home, on the street? Airport security, public security checks in general, having to prove your citizenship and loyalty to this country at every turn, not being able to speak freely on issues without fear you're being watched and recorded.

2 - what long term changes do you see in the political landscape of the country and the world?We are moving away from Democracy and into Fascism, and the public seems *okay* with it. Probably because the dumbfuckers don't even know what Fascism is.

3 - what has changed in the way you feel about life, work, play, other people?I have even less patience with ignorance.

4 - what have you deliberately changed about the way you interact with other people and the earth? nothing that I know of as a result of 911

5 - how have your goals and dreams changed?I'm more focused on what I want the rest of my life to be like, and I'm actively working toward getting there. I'm less resigned about my future and more willing to take control of it.

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from: zebraartist
date: Jan. 24th, 2003 08:40 am (UTC)
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I don't usually respond to these kinds of polls - but

1 - what long term changes have you seen in your everyday life, at work, at play, at home, on the street?
I lost my brother that day - my response was to become a peace activitist - to spend my time and energies to work towards peaceful solutions

3 - what has changed in the way you feel about life, work, play, other people?
I live by the thought "life is too short" - My work is now doing what I am passionate about, art and photography - before I was working in a medical school, I was a workaholic, and miserable.

4 - what have you deliberately changed about the way you interact with other people and the earth?
I have find myself being more accepting (rather than tolerant) of other people and their differences

5 - how have your goals and dreams changed?
My goals and dreams of success changed dramatically - instead of wanting the biggest house, best car, big bank account - My idea of success is now contentment - I feel I am reaching for personal goals rather than societies ideals of success.

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Stormy Brow

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from: stormy_brow
date: Jan. 24th, 2003 10:35 am (UTC)
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It's so heartening and warming to see someone respond in the way that you are. Unfortunately, I don't think there are enough people like you out there.

My condolences regarding your loss. My overwhelming support to you in your efforts.

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from: zebraartist
date: Jan. 24th, 2003 11:52 am (UTC)
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Thank you very much for your condolences - I very much appreciate that.
My response to that day did not come easily, as you might imagine. I finally realized that sitting around wishing for peace wasn't nearly as effective as being proactive/productive about it. I also feel that leading by example is a much stronger message to others.

I really appreciate you responding to this message - I posted these questions in my own journal, and haven't had a lot of response

Peace

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Cyn

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from: cynnerth
date: Jan. 24th, 2003 08:42 am (UTC)
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1 - what long term changes have you seen in your everyday life, at work, at play, at home, on the street?
It's hard to see a long term change in relation to everyday life because it doesn't make sense to me in a "time sense". Long term is future, not the present. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question. Have I changed anything in my every day life because of 9/11? No, but I operate with an underlying fear of the future.

2 - what long term changes do you see in the political landscape of the country and the world? I see hyper-patriotism, racial hatred (or just mistrust?), and warmongering becoming widespread.

3 - what has changed in the way you feel about life, work, play, other people? Nothing at all.

4 - what have you deliberately changed about the way you interact with other people and the earth? Nothing at all.

5 - how have your goals and dreams changed? My dreams have been hit with a reality check. I can plan for a happy future of marriage, a home, travel, holding/loving my granchildren and watching them grow into adults with families of their own, etc. but I know that it could be wiped out in a flash no matter how carefully I plan and no matter how freely I dream.

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from: wild_mind
date: Jan. 24th, 2003 09:36 am (UTC)
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1 - what long term changes have you seen in your everyday life, at work, at play, at home, on the street?
None, beyond the occasional security delay at the airport or the occasional annoyance of having to listen to the same old fucking thing on the news before I can grab the remote and switch it.

2 - what long term changes do you see in the political landscape of the country and the world?
I see the US becoming war-crazed, using any and all possible justification for it, and the rest of the world growing increasingly impatient with us as a result.

3 - what has changed in the way you feel about life, work, play, other people?
Absolutely nothing. I appreciated the people and experiences in my life long before 9/11, and while a true tragedy, it changed nothing about how I relate to the world around me.

4 - what have you deliberately changed about the way you interact with other people and the earth?
Not a thing.

5 - how have your goals and dreams changed?
Terrorists and the countries that harbor them, governments and the fools that run them... have no power to change my goals and dreams.

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Stormy Brow

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from: stormy_brow
date: Jan. 24th, 2003 10:33 am (UTC)
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Basically, my answers to all of those questions has to do with the overwhelming amount of fear that pervades everything these days. Everybody's afraid. Our government and our media are fear-mongers. I don't feel like we're moving in the direction of any sort of positive change as a result of everything. I just think that people are more firmly ingrained in fear. Fear. Fear and ignorance and blinders. That's all I see and feel around me.

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from: i
date: Jan. 24th, 2003 10:45 am (UTC)
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have you seen "bowling for columbine"?

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from: stormy_brow
date: Jan. 24th, 2003 10:47 am (UTC)
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Yes, I have. Michael Moore's point of view really struck a cord with me.

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from: i
date: Jan. 24th, 2003 11:13 am (UTC)
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i almost completely stopped watching the network news after that. it cut my fear quotient dramatically. now if i see it, the intent is so very transparent it doesn't affect me nearly as much.

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from: stormy_brow
date: Jan. 24th, 2003 11:17 am (UTC)
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I had to do the same, not just to cut my fear quotient, but to save my own sanity. The news is so slanted, and presents such a narrow point of view, that I often want to blow my brains out after watching it.

So, basically, not watching the news is a matter of self-preservation for me. :)

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astrojetta

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from: astrojetta
date: Jan. 24th, 2003 10:40 am (UTC)
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1 - what long term changes have you seen in your everyday life, at work, at play, at home, on the street?
Everywhere you look there are American flags...A lot of misuse of the flag too! (on clothing, etc.), airport security is tighter and causes more delays, and advertising uses "patriotic" angle to sell stuff now.

2 - what long term changes do you see in the political landscape of the country and the world?
Unfortunately, it seems to be "an excuse" to push the US's weight around and "an excuse" to try to wage a war.

3 - what has changed in the way you feel about life, work, play, other people? I had a bad experience the week after 9/11. Before that experience, I felt that the tragedy brought people together and opened people's minds to peace and harmony. But I was proven wrong by a couple of strangers. I still have hope that there are many people out there that are going to stand up for peace ... but I don't think that 9/11 has helped that. I think more people are angry and want revenge. Regardless, I guess I feel that I have to be more careful about voicing my views in public because so many people are not open to peaceful solutions.

4 - what have you deliberately changed about the way you interact with other people and the earth?
See #3. Also, I try to appreciate the people in my life and the beauty in the world around me...while trying to avoid the people that hate...that destroy our earth...and that try to crush my hope.

5 - how have your goals and dreams changed?
More than ever, I want to be able to raise my daughter to be a peaceful, open-minded person and hope that she can make a difference in the world and make it a better place. I'm hoping that there are more new parents out there doing the same. Breed peace....ha ha.

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Iconoclast Guitarboy

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from: sun__king
date: Jan. 24th, 2003 12:35 pm (UTC)
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1 - what long term changes have you seen in your everyday life, at work, at play, at home, on the street?

Daft security checks at airports (the boy scouts now have more swiss army knives and nail files than they ever need), anxiety over white powder in envelopes (in NZ it has always been flour hahahah yeah, funny joke), and clearly less tolerance of 'other' political and religious ideals.

2 - what long term changes do you see in the political landscape of the country and the world?

Less trust, more divisiveness, use of fear and ignorance as tools for foreign policy.

3 - what has changed in the way you feel about life, work, play, other people?

Nothing (apart from having even less faith in the media to provide any sort of balanced viewpoint)

4 - what have you deliberately changed about the way you interact with other people and the earth?

Nothing

5 - how have your goals and dreams changed?

They have not.
The main change for New Zealanders has been to their love of travel. The bomb blast in Bali though probably had more impact on traveling decisions made by Kiwis than 09/11. Having said that I would have to give careful consideration to even having a short 'stopover' in LAX due to the additional security requirements for foreigners in place at International American airports. Why would I want all that hassle? (and am I any safer than I ever was?)

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from: banana
date: Jan. 24th, 2003 01:40 pm (UTC)
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No changes at all, except for point three - I think that war with Iraq would be much less likely if those planes hadn't been crashed. I think that there is a percieved threat, and somehow war with Iraq is a response to that. I can't see any link myself, but political moods don't have to make sense - they just make things possible.

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from: geckodru
date: Jan. 24th, 2003 01:41 pm (UTC)
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1.) At work...

Flying: I am at the air port two or three times a month, walking through new the rules and regulations each time. This could either be a security tactic meant to thwart well-made terrorists plots, or a well-made terrorist plot to thwart airline efficiency. People frown. People grumble. People look so disappointed. Tense. Lines move to the pace of people trying to figure out something for the first time. No worries planes are always late, and most of the time, I'd rather stay at home.

Playing and home: no difference. I have never felt uncomfortably safe, or been disturbed when faced with how fragile we are. We live in a world of glass houses and porcelain geegaws. The maid, she dusted, and half the shelf tumbled, parts of the world shattered, but she's ready to clean that mess away too.

2.) Political landscape...

The trend to bring law and order to each and every individual in this country continues. That did not begin with buildings falling down, but boy did the Junta fast track the American Panopticon.

And an amazing addition to the usual Jingoism, fear-mongering and absurd leaps across any civil boundary, U.S. people decided that more than ever, we have to do something about all the world. I'm not certain the Junta agree, but how can they refuse any blanket poll by which they can legitimize economic colonialism: all the exploitation, none of the rights. King George the Original, we called him the 3rd in History class, would blanch at the notion of Camp X-Ray. "If they are pirates, criminals or traitors, try them, then hang them," he'd say, "no sense in being inhumane."

The world sees King George sitting on that tall white horse, wearing his Washington wig and any other word he can use in vain. He is adamant. His people are adamant. Everyone else is trying to destroy the U.S., hates what America stands for and worships a false God. Well George, there is only one God. We live in a nation that once hated Kings. America is not a reflection of its people, this Country is so great because it transcends the frequent insanities of people. Justice and liberty for all, even when you adamantly believe a person should be stoned or is not important, valuable, or enough like you to deserve common sense rights. The world is gradually forgetting America. Easy to forget, when America has self-righteous amnesia.

Arab nations are divided. Before the first Iraqi war, Israel left a rift of grey between U.S. and Arab nations. After that war, the view of use became more black and grey. Afghan, dishonest rhetoric, another war, and I do not believe there will be any room for grey. The entire Arab world will be split black and white, between Governments the U.S. backs and those that U.S. don't. Those in the second group will at least have a chance to fairly represent their people.

3.) Feelings about life...

Many changes, nothing to do with September 11.

4.) How you interact with other people...

Many changes all resulting from events leading to my different outlook (3). The way I interact with people has far more to do with how people behave. People are finding all sorts of bad affirmation. Fear, hatred and violence march in the open. People do not always hear what they say, or even understand that what they say implies more than they could have been adamant about a few years ago.

5.) Have your goals and dreams changed?

Constantly. Of late, quite a bit for the same reasons as (3). My goals also have a great deal to do with how I interact with people. Because of how adamant people have become (4), I am more than ever trying to be clear, honest and focused in what I do and my dreams.

Trying to write more, and actually sending writing to newspapers, or magazines.
I feel as though another career path would better suit me, teaching, writing, my wife wants me to paint again, journalism. The question I keep asking is "Where should I put my hands?"

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from: curbside_yogini
date: Sep. 11th, 2005 06:31 pm (UTC)
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1 - what long term changes have you seen in your everyday life, at work, at play, at home, on the street?

I can honestly say the first 1-2 years post 9/11 I'd get anxious when I saw a middle eastern man sitting with me on the subway. I remember other people on the subway looking nervous as well. The anxiousness ended when I met my current boyfriend, who is from Iran/Saudi Arabia; he helped open up my eyes to what Islam really is, who people from the middle east are, structurally, why terrorism exists, etc. The more I learned the less afraid I have become.

Today I see more tolerance around me when I travel to school and back to home.

2 - what long term changes do you see in the political landscape of the country and the world?

I realize now that the world we live in has changed and that terrorism is a threat to all, as evidenced by the attacks in New York, Madrid, and London. I hope that countries can learn to work together to stop these terrorist attacks from happening. The granola hippy part of me wants to believe that we can overcome our differences and live together more peacefully if we work together to stamp events such as these out, however the cynic inside me says it will never happen, at least, not in my lifetime.

3 - what has changed in the way you feel about life, work, play, other people?

I made a promise to myself on 9/11 to live my life to its fullest, and to focus on my spirituality. I became a vegetarian. I started practicing yoga. I attended church regularly and made it a point to pray every night for myself, my family, and the world. I feel more peaceful and in a better head space four years later than I did before then. I would have to say I'm generally nicer to people, and tell the ones who are close to me I love them quite frequently.

4 - what have you deliberately changed about the way you interact with other people and the earth?

I recycle more. I conserve more energy. In recent months I make sure I smile at complete strangers and give all people, no matter what the colour of their skin, the same amont of respect I do my family and friends, even if they are giving me a hard time and don't quite deserve it.

5 - how have your goals and dreams changed?

They've gotten bigger, I think. Before 9.11 I never expected to want to obtain anything more than a bachelors degree. I didn't want to have children. Since then I have decided to pursue a Masters and a Ph.D so that I can be more proactive in the "caring professions" and have decided that I would quite like to have a big family, and raise them to understand tolerance with the small world we live in. I firmly believe that hte more we populate the earth with people who are kind and understanding the more we can make the world a better place to live in.

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Margaret

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from: rivendweller
date: Sep. 11th, 2005 07:47 pm (UTC)
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1 - what long term changes have you seen in your everyday life, at work, at play, at home, on the street?
Not much. My life would have turned out the same way whether the events of 9/11 happened or not.

2 - what long term changes do you see in the political landscape of the country and the world?
It's been four years now. Bush, unfortunately, used 9/11 to cynically scare the bejesus out of people. He has nearly turned the U.S. into a fascist country, employing Orwellian techniques to achieve his hateful agenda. On the upside, however, I think the pendulum will swing back to the left. He has overreached, and people are now seeing the emperor has no clothes.

3 - what has changed in the way you feel about life, work, play, other people?
Not too much. I still love my life, feel very fortunate, and generally enjoy being around other people. The biggest change is that I am profoundly disappointed in the American voters to have returned Bush into office for another term. I do believe he was put into office both times by fraudulent means, so I refuse to acknowledge he was "elected." He cheated an lied his way into office.

4 - what have you deliberately changed about the way you interact with other people and the earth?
Since 9/11? I joined lj and have more online friends than ever before. I have always loved the earth and want to protect it.

5 - how have your goals and dreams changed?
No change, really. About the same. I wanted to stay retired, but finally decided to go back to work because I was bored and felt we should shore up our retirement savings. Health care is a lot more expensive than I had anticipated, and I blame the republicans for that. It doesn't have to be that way. I want my family and friends and me to stay as healthy and happy as we can. I will continue to speak out when I feel I should; I always have. Silence and disinterest can be as damaging as active mean-spiritedness.

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Alan

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from: n6vfp
date: Sep. 12th, 2005 07:36 pm (UTC)
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1 - what long term changes have you seen in your everyday life, at work, at play, at home, on the street?

There is more racial and economic profiling occurring in the city where I work. If you are black, Arab, or homeless you can expect to be watched by the cops. The attitude at work is that you should be happy you're working and don't complain too loud, as there maybe be another that covets your job. Play is something I value more to offset the stress of current life in this climate of fear.

2 - what long term changes do you see in the political landscape of the country and the world?

There is a factionalization of the world. The U.S. has adopted an 'U.S. vs. Them' attitude. Democracy is not flourishing, but despots are finding favor with elements within our regime who trade dollars for dictators. The whole 'red menace' argument has reappeared with Hugo Chavez being elected. We (the U.S.) is further isolating itself from the rest of the world.


3 - what has changed in the way you feel about life, work, play, other people?

Life is more of a struggle, I haven't seen a raise in a while. They lie about inflation by leaving out the two largest items in my budget, housing and energy. I seem to work harder for the same pay, more demands and positions are left unfilled while those left pick up the slack.


4 - what have you deliberately changed about the way you interact with other people and the earth?

I'm more in tune with like minded people (progressive) and less tolerant of those who blindly follow the current regime. I recycle more, try to coax th best mileage out of my car, and pass items that I would normally discard on to people and services that might find them useful.


5 - how have your goals and dreams changed?

Goals and dreams have not changed, just the focus is to survive till retirement and find a place I can blend into the background and avoid the spotlight.

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